April 25, 2008

"Lessons About Mildew" or "Perils of Living in Humidity" or "Black Death" Pick one.

And so we have had… a mildew problem in our master bath. It started just on this semi circular window we have above the tub… just along the edge of the window…a black outline appeared along the window frame. Within a couple years it had slowly crept up the ceiling.

I should have done something about it then, investigated what was causing it, but it just was not on my radar. I don’t spend that much time in the room, VW and I were joking this morning that I’m pretty low maintenance and probably spend 20 minutes a day, max, my husband, eh, more. But once I leave, its out of my mind. I don’t think about it.

I think of kids’ grades, behavioral issues, work, what we’re having for supper, what appliance probably needs to be replaced due to consistent breakage and age (is it more effective to get the POS continually fixed or buy a new one?), car maintenance, general parental worries and … whatnot.

Spots of black mildew on a bathroom ceiling, don’t register other than when I’m showering and then I think, “Damn, I need to remember to take care of that…”

As good fortune would have it, my husband has a client and a friend of his partner’s that is in the restoration business. I was fully set to purchase some Killz, throw it on the ceiling and spray bleach on the window, but I also wanted the wallpaper taken down and in passing, this client of his essentially said, “Look, it’s a quality of life issue. I can take it down quickly or you can take it down and it will take a weekend.”

Wow. Guess which one won out? The thought of fighting wallpaper for 16 hours was not the winner.

So he came out a couple weeks ago and looked at the mildew problem and GASPED. Folks, I did not think it was a gaspable issue. My folks have seen it. They’ll tell you, it was spots of black on the ceiling… esthetically not appealing, but it was not a black ceiling by any stretch. It was six years of not fixing the problem... but it was not *GASP!*

He looked at me and said, “Bou, have you had any health problems?!”

Me: *blink*

What? I think spending 20 minutes a day in a small room is not going to garner anyone health problems with a little mildew. He acted like this was… anthrax. I’m not kidding. He acted like little mildew spores could somehow have flung themselves to the far reaches of my home and we were now all going to die of… Black Lung Disease.

Or whatever disease you get from mildew.

I told my Mom this story saying, “Mom, humans lived in caves for thousands of years and nobody worried about mildew!”

She said, “Uh, well, not that they knew of. You don’t know it wasn’t a issue.”

I said the SAME exact thing to the guys at work and their response? “Bou, they would never have lived long enough for anyone to know mildew was a problem. Hell, mildew could have killed them! I think they died in their 20s…”

Hell, maybe it did, I just don’t remember reading in any books that malnutrition, wild animals, and mildew were the leading causes of caveman death.

Not that they’d know…

I’m not poo pooing this issue with mildew. Not at all. I just figured that it was a bathroom and not so bad. I seriously figured they’d throw some Killz on the ceiling, bleach on the walls and Boom! it would be finished!

But no.

A team of five came in, and in retrospect, I’m surprised they didn’t have HazMat suits on considering what’s been done.

My bathroom is now hermetically sealed off from the rest of the house. I call it ET’s bathroom.
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There is some sort of hepa/dehumidifier thing in my bedroom that ran all night. It looks like Wall-e’s bigger and blind cousin. It sounds like… wow… loud. Holy crap. Loud. I’m perpetually amazed at how the human body reacts to such violations against it. One minute you’re lying in bed to the loud hum/rumble of Wall-e’s cousin three feet from the bed, and the next minute you’re awake in the middle of the night, completely STARTLED there is this loud hum/rumble in the room with you… as if you’re noticing for the first time.

Folks, I’m not talking white noise here. This is like frickin’ NEON explosion noise. This makes white noise seem like cotton.

But yet, your ears completely don’t hear it when you sleep.

Fascinating.

My Sleeping Companion that Snores like a WindTunnel
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And if you unzip the seal, where I was told that a negative airflow had been created at some point and now it has been completely ‘hepa vac’d’ and some other space age weird crap, you will find… no frickin’ drywall.

They took it all. The entire wall where the window was located? Gone. The ceiling? Cut out. The offending spores removed, probably in some sort of vacu-sealed container to ensure that any offending potentially life threatening spores can no longer inflict any damage on the human race.

I'm calling this photo, "Maybe We Should Use Mildew as a Chemical Weapon Since it Required Removal of ALL Drywall" or for short, "WoMD" (Sidenote, there was wallpaper on this wall... a breeding ground for mildew.)
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I'm entitling this picture, 'A bathroom ceiling without drywall'.
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This is a photo of Wall-e's cousin's 2nd cousin twice removed who resides in ET's bathroom.
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Now, the interesting side… what caused it. Evidently we have had poor ventilation in our bathroom. My husband had deemed the exhaust fan completely worthless and ineffective awhile ago. When my brother was in town, I remembered I wanted to check the air vent as I was told already when the room was looked at, that it could be a ventilation problem. TN climbed up a ladder and sure enough, the a/c vent was closed.

According to the restoration people, I need to clean the exhaust vent in every bathroom every 3-6 months. OK, other than not thinking immediately that I should use the FOIL method on that math problem, am I also the only one who didn’t know that you should clean the exhaust vent in one’s bathroom for dust at least twice a year? And it makes sense since I live in Florida and dust rules here.

Evidently that was the problem. And in case anyone is wondering, yes I clean my A/C filter every month. Its part of my monthly house maintenance… I just never thought about the bathroom exhaust fans.

So that’s where we are…drywall is going up next week and we are currently discussing paint as we will be repainting. NO wallpaper. Wallpaper in Florida… let alone in a bathroom, is not a good idea according to the restoration people.

And what I've learned from all this? You may not hear a big ass'd loud fan when you sleep, but you can still hear it when you blog.

I assure you.

Posted by Boudicca at April 25, 2008 08:21 PM | TrackBack
Comments

Oh Bou! Mildew is synonomous with mold. black mold is toxic. Can cause a wealth of health problems including being a trigger for cancer! I have some in my basement and we've not been able to kill it. It is growing on our cement block and we need to take more action soon. lad you got that taken care of!

Posted by: oddybobo at April 25, 2008 08:43 PM

I remember when my old apartment flooded (twice). They put these EXTREMELY loud giant blowers under the carpet. It was like walking around in a bounce house made of carpet. I liked the noise when I slept, however, if you wanted to to talk to anyone, you had to yell.

Posted by: Toluca Nole at April 25, 2008 08:47 PM

Hey, remember when I was down there and you moved the ladder under the mildew area and you made me crawl up and try to lick the stuff off the ceiling? And then, every time I tried to come down off the ladder, you beat me with a big stick? Why did you do that?

Posted by: Toluca Nole at April 25, 2008 09:01 PM

Oddy- All sorts of tests have been run and we are now mildew free! It was completely caused by the poor ventilation. I think that whole dark damp basement thing would be a HAVEN for mildew. Good Grief...

TN- Funny thing, last night when I was in bed listening to Wall-e's cousin the first thing I thought was, "TN could SO sleep to this." But you described it best, its like I'm sleeping in a frickin' BOUNCE house.

As for beating you with the stick, I obviously didn't beat you hard enough!!! BTW, next time I'm making you go in the attic and make sure there isn't a kink in the air duct. I think you should crawl up there in August. Around 2AM. September works well too...

Posted by: Bou at April 25, 2008 09:25 PM

Ummm, that would be 2PM. PM. HOTTEST part. Not AM. Preview is my friend...

Posted by: Bou at April 25, 2008 09:26 PM

Due to my allergies, whihc include molds....whihc is great when you live in a damp/balmy envirement, I have always been freakish about mold. I had never seen mold until moving down south. I have seen entire homes shut up with HAZARD signs on them because of the issue.

I clean my vents in the bath 2 times a year, because of the dust, and once again my allergies....my BIL's bath had a terrible mold issue.

I have such a keen sense of smell I can smell mildew, mold in the smallest amount, and actually alerted the coorperation that owned a nursing home I worked in...

no visible mold anywhere....

they investigated and found it in the ventilation system....no one else could smell it, but to me? Heck the damn smell knocked my socks off every time I entered work.

It was replaced, sick calls improved, not as many headaches reported from staff....

damn dust, mold and pollen spores....

Posted by: AWTM at April 25, 2008 10:30 PM

Well, I've cleaned the fans themselves out a couple of times, but not the duct work all the way up. Are you supposed to do that?

Posted by: Peggy U at April 25, 2008 10:43 PM

Your restoration guys made me think of Ghostbusters. "Who ya gonna call?"

Relax. Have a smoke.

Posted by: Jim - PRS at April 26, 2008 12:48 AM

Great... (sarcasm here) and exactly how are you suppose to clean them? With a hose? a broom? bleach? Or do you just use TN's head after making him lick the stuff? (just joking)

Sigh. I have never heard of that. Do I replace air filters? You bet... clean a vent? No clue. Guess I'll talk to you during the week.

Posted by: vw bug at April 26, 2008 05:47 AM

Holy cow - that's quite a project!! Glad you are getting the mildew/mold thing taken care of.

I have to do some drywall repair around here this week - but nothing quite as extensive as yours. Wow.

Posted by: Richmond at April 26, 2008 08:41 AM

Oddy,

If it is growing on the exterior block on the basement, the moisture is probably coming through the block from an external source. Have you tried cleaning with bleach and then coating with an "anti-microbial" paint or coating?

When it is in Sheetrock, the best bet is rip out and replace, when it is a solid surface, block brick or mortar, it is often better to deal with it.

All - more important the keeping the fans clear, when you see a spot, act immediately.

The information in this comment came to me courtesy of hurricane Ivan recovery...

PT

Posted by: P'cola Titan at April 26, 2008 08:49 AM

I started reading this and was laughing because you sound just like me and how I use my bathroom... it's actually difficult for me to remember to buy supplies because once I walk out in the morning - I never even think about it again!

*sigh* Depending on the type of mold, it might be an issue or it might not (healthwise). You can't tell just by looking at it - it has to be tested in a lab. Some stuff that looks horrid is just unsightly and not great to be around. Other stuff that looks not so bad can be very toxic.

So, okay,they ripped everything out which is good. Because once you have mold on drywall, the drywall is toast - period. It can't be repaired or bleached out because moisture has damaged the integrity of the boards. I do hope they're putting green wall in - that's the moisture resistant drywall that is now commonly used in the bath. That plus Kilz as a primer should take care of the problem.

Also, no one should ever ever ever use wallpaper in the bathroom... Sadly the other 2 houses we owned had WP in the baths - YUCK!!!! I ripped it out ASAP - it's just a huge petri dish for germs.

On the fan - are they talking about cleaning the fan only that often or the duct work too? I don't know about you, but to get to our ductwork the fan has to be removed!!! That's so not gonna happen.

Posted by: Teresa at April 26, 2008 12:34 PM

Had the problem at a place I had on the water some years back. I solved it with enough bleach to turn the black witch white and a dehumidifier. I still have the dehumidifier.

Posted by: GUYK at April 26, 2008 12:42 PM

Gosh, Bou! Old Testament law had folks move out of their homes, burn their belongings, wash the walls, wait forever, have the priest inspect it and pronounce it either clean or unclean. If unclean, they'd burn the house.

You've had a narrow escape! *gasp!*

Florida: synonymous with mildew. I try to never store anything of have any furniture or heavy curtains (bah. I hate curtains of any sort) along a north-facing wall... keep that air moving around. We live with a dehumidifier AND AC unit on most of the year. It's not so much about comfort, it's about staying dry, when you basically live on the ocean.

Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at April 26, 2008 04:51 PM

Just thinkin'....would you prefer my bathroom spiders? I am very selective. I've only got two ol' boys (or girls...I really don't know) I let stay.

Posted by: Toluca Nole at April 26, 2008 08:18 PM