September 01, 2009

Ghastly Neighbors

No, I'm not going to beat this dead horse.

But let me clarify something from my cancer cluster post. I don't think they're actually ever going to figure out what the problem is in this zip code.

I don't.

The thing is, people dream of that rural life. I get it. I moved out here to get away from the city, get more land for my kids to be able to play on. I could put a nice sized home out here for half the money as in town.

But I live in a subdivision, where we may have well and septic, but we have drainage, we bought fill for our homes, and there are rules... good or bad... we have rules. Most of us have followed the rules of where our wells go with respect to both OUR septic tanks AND that of our neighbors.

We also have deeper wells and... we all have expensive water filtration systems, whether we choose to drink our water or not.

When you go out West where the possible cancer cluster is at its most dense, it is a different lifestyle of living.

Not bad.

Just different.

People felt like they were living the rural farm/horse life and they were. However, the average real farm is acres of land with a septic tank or well.

These folks are acre after acre, one acre lots, each with their own well, their own septic, and many wells placed illegally and HORRIBLE drainage.

So when it rained hard, the rain would come up people's yards, up their pads to their homes and everyone's septic tanks would be under water, and whatever materials were used for fill were now straining water, and the horse poop and pesticides were all under water, and it all ended up somewhere.

The wells are at 30 feet, the most shallow aquifor. I'm not sure what kind of water systems if any were in the homes.

But the thing is... it doesn't have to be the water. We're all in the flight path to the local airport. Hell, I talk about at Christmas when my husband decorates the house, lighting the roof, that PBI uses our home as a flight point for it's pilots flying in. Fuel dumping? I don't know.

Not to mention power lines. Power lines in my neighborhood are underground. They have the big station out there.

So the bottom line is... nobody knows what exactly is causing it and I personally thing... they will never really know.

With all the carcinogens we put in our environment now, really, I think there is no telling.

So, I'm still sitting tight.

And the above was brought to you by a conversation I had with a neighbor today who asked me my opinion as she was accosted last week by a freaked out neighbor who said, 'she was in mourning as cancer is all over the place'. The woman was a lunatic.


She wants to think cancer is 'all over the place', she needs to do a Team in Training marathon with me where EVERYONE has either had a blood born disease or has someone close to them who is fighting it. Talk about feeling like 'cancer is all over'.

I'm here for the long haul. Hopefully she'll get the hell out. I get tired of folks with so much anxiety and negative energy. Good Grief.

Posted by Boudicca at September 1, 2009 01:36 PM

You and G-Man are smart folks. I know you well enough to know that you've done your due diligence, so don't let the "Al Gore, Chicken littles" of the world rain on your parade.

I guess what I am saying is, your doing the right thing by focusing on the facts. Don't let the bastards bring you down Bou!

Posted by: P'cola Titan at September 1, 2009 10:42 PM

The bad news is it will be hard to sell your house. the good news is that it might keep your property taxes a little lower. So, you live there until it's time for you to retire in Florida, oh wait. Well, live there until it's time to go to the home, then give the house to Bones to run his mail order explosives business out of. He'll need to be in the country, they have rules about explosive businesses.

Posted by: Peter at September 1, 2009 11:09 PM

I suppose you know that they're giving all the homes individual wells in order to make an end-run around your state's water laws. That is, if they had built a town water supply they'd also have had to get water rights for it. But there's probably some sort of state law that gives a well for a single house an automatic water right.

At least that's the case in Washington State where I've had to deal with this sort of thing. I doubt that the cancer statistics will effect the price of your house much, unless you actually get "Love Canal" kind of media exposure.

Posted by: Carl Brannen at September 1, 2009 11:38 PM

You scoff at folks who fear that "cancer is all over the place," but also mention a bunch of potential cancer-causing agents out there.

I think what frustrates you and others is that this is a guerrella war. You don't know who the enemy, the exact cause, is. If you did, you could attack the problem or build up defenses and fix it.

As for water and sewer: People move out there to be "free" of govt. rules and it would have been awfully expensive to run city water and sewer out there anyway. So maybe some folks are re-thinking the benefits of some govt. regulations. There ARE reasons for some of these rules people hate so much.

Posted by: George P at September 2, 2009 04:35 AM

Pcola- Yup, we're sitting tight. I actually think that although our home is in the zip, we're not effected. Plus, I think the gov't is ultimately going to show no cluster.

Peter- I'm hoping in 20 years it won't effect us at all!!! Bones... good grief.

Carl- Actually, George's below comment is right (He lives down here). It is very rural and too expensive to run water out there. They are looking into it now, but the real hassle is going to be if they decide to go with city water. There are going to be huge battles as to who gets to provide them water. My neighborhood could actually go city water if we voted yes (we did not), but for awhile we had a couple groups telling us to stand down as they were legally fighting over who had the right to sell us water.

George- Nah, I'm actually not worried. The list of things is not frustration. The list of things is sitting down and flat out looking at all the potentials. Just data.

I don't want to go city water. It's going to piss me off. i don't want the regulation. I have a deep well and good water systems. Do I want Lois Frankel and her cronies in charge of my water? Phht. I don't frickin' think so. We're going to end up being City of WPB water and that stuff sucks.

What frustrates me is the panic is going to force our hand to go city water, not the potential cancer cluster. When my neighborhood looked into it about 5 years ago, it was 7K to have it run down our streets, every family was responsible for it, and then another 4.5K to have it run up your yard and to hook up your home. That's a lot of cash... for something I don't want.

Posted by: Bou at September 2, 2009 05:49 AM

And George, it is not that I'm scoffing at the folks who think there is a cancer cluster. If someone's child has it or they know someone who has it, good grief, I get it. But this woman in our neighborhood has gone completely off the deep end. She's that whacko everyone has in their 'hood. Every place she goes, she carries on about how they're going to move, cancer is all over, we're doomed. Meanwhile, she has elementary aged kids and she won't let them play outside anymore. I mean she has really freaked...the ultimate chicken little.

Posted by: bou at September 2, 2009 06:07 AM

You say the panic could force your area to go city water .... hmmmm who exactly started all this cancer thing?

We get our water from Detroit (the most corupt city in the world) and they have ignored the system for so long that it is actually starting to fall apart. So now they are trying to get the suburbs to pay for the repairs claiming we use more water then the city so it's our responibility to pay for repairs yet they will not allow anyone from the suburbs to sit on the water board. They raise our rates every year, more then they raise the cities rates.

Some of the burbs in the west has threatened to go rouge and join the Ann Arbor water department and get our water from them. The threats seem to be working a little bit but within 5 years I guarantee the water system will fail spectaularly.

Being dependant on the city for water sucks big wet rusty socks.

Posted by: Quality Weenie at September 2, 2009 08:55 AM

I think that it would be more appropriate if they went to a community sewer system rather than "city water".

We had a similar problem up here in Michigan (back in the 70's) around Houghton Lake. The lake was turning green (algae bloom) and some people's sewer/septic would freeze up in the winter (that happens when you just run a pipe into the lake). Pumping all the sewage to the other side of I-75 and treating it with tertiary treatment (tanks, ponds, and irrigation ponds with stuff growing in it) made a major change to the local water quality, both drinking and for recreation.

Something like that would be appropriate for a Killairn Lakes or Belle Glade Camp. In fact, based on their close proximity to water, wetlands, and Lake Okeechobee, it would progably be a good idea.

After dealing with the effluent, drinking water treatment gets lots easier.

Posted by: The Thomas at September 2, 2009 09:41 AM

BTW, In the State of Florida, "Real Estate wise", you only have to disclose anything that you know is "in fact" detrimental to your properties value. Correlation, Speculation, Insinuation, and pure unsubstantiated lunacy on the part of your neighbors don't count.
So why not sell now, bring the fam and move back up to the Redneck Riviera?

Just a thought.


Posted by: P'cola Titan at September 2, 2009 09:55 PM

PT- I am moving to the island of Tristan. Heh. Seriously, look it up.

Posted by: Bou at September 2, 2009 10:17 PM

What? Six days boat ride from anywhere?

One Pub, no restaurants. 230 other people. Yours is not one of the six family names they have due to inbreeding. You are too fair complected.

And that cold is NOT from the gulf stream.

Posted by: The Thomas at September 3, 2009 09:13 AM